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		<title>DekiWiki and MindTouch Deki Review</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I work for an Information Security Consulting firm near Boston, MA &#8212; I&#8217;ve grown up using FreeBSD, Linux, and open source software, and personally run Linux and FreeBSD on my desktops, servers, and laptop. It should even be noted that I have a co-located FreeBSD server in Miami Florida that I host some of my [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for an <a href="http://www.smpone.com">Information Security Consulting firm</a> near Boston, MA  &#8212; I&#8217;ve grown up using FreeBSD, Linux, and open source software, and  personally run Linux and FreeBSD on my desktops, servers, and laptop. It  should even be noted that I have a <a href="http://colopronto.com/" target="_blank">co-located</a> FreeBSD server in Miami  Florida that I host some of my websites on, I run and maintain the  server, I also have a <a href="http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi" target="_blank">Dreamhost</a> webhosting account, and I have  access to a number of other dedicated servers which I help maintain.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been frustrated for some time by the fact that I need easy ways to  manage and update information, and I really like the idea of wikis,  however I feel that I&#8217;m traveling back in time by doing the &#8216;let me try  this syntax, now let me click a button to render the page and see if its  what I wanted&#8217; type of system that Wiki syntax is currently at. It feels  to me very much like the early days of HTML &#8212; and along with it the  myriad of poor -WYSIWYMG (What you might get) type solutions &#8212; I&#8217;ve  previously tried, and am not a fan of generic WYSIWYG overlays for  MediaWiki &#8212; such as fckeditor. (Specifically the fact that it does  horrid javascript popups for things such as URL inputs).</p>
<p>At my current company I realized that we really need a system for managing  our information &#8212; and so I&#8217;ve recently been evaluating Microsoft  Sharepoint. To that end, Sharepoint has wiki functionality &#8212; once  again, with a horrid WYSIWYG overlay, and I wanted to see what else is  out there. I used <a href="http://www.wikimatrix.org" target="_blank">WikiMatrix.org</a> to narrow down my choices, and <a href="http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/DekiWiki">DekiWiki</a>  was one of the first ones I checked out. I was very thrown off by the <a href="http://www.opengarden.org/dekiwiki" target="_blank">OpenGarden website</a> &#8212; particularly the <a href="http://www.opengarden.org" target="_blank">front page</a> &#8212; I had no idea what  to make of it, could barely read the text under the DekiWiki and Dream  options, etc. &#8212; I somehow came across a link to the <a href="http://mindtouch.com/" target="_blank">Mindtouch</a> site, and  sighed in relief as the pleasant, easy to read site. I viewed the <a href="http://mindtouch.com/demo/index.html" title="Mindtouch Deki Flash Demo" target="_blank">flash  demo</a> and was instantly impressed by the attaching of files &#8212; this was  an excellent marketing tool.</p>
<p>Seeing as I use <a href="http://www.vmware.com/products/server/" target="_blank">VMWare</a> on a daily basis, I downloaded the <a href="http://mindtouch.com/node/300?subsection=Download" target="_blank">VMWare image</a>,  and gave it a whirl. After a few initial problems getting it to properly  start (I ended up having to delete it, re-extract and try again) &#8212; I  got it up and working. Seeing as I work in the security field, I was  surprised by the fact that the interface emailed me my password when I  added an account, and so I immediately began tracing back the email to  understand how it had sent it out, and what sorts of communications the  VM was making out from our corporate environment. As I intended to use  the Wiki to store sensitive corporate data, I would have to prove the  security of the system to a supervisor. I ended up inspecting the host  that the mail came from, and discovered an IRC server, connected, and  ended up talking to a number of the developers about the security of the  email system, and they informed me that they&#8217;re looking into the option  of specifying your email servers in the configuration, so that mail  stays local to your LAN. I can understand the need to make it work &#8216;out  of the box&#8217; and so relaying mail out to ensure delivery is a good  method; however I think there should be the option to reassure  administrators that passwords are not flying around the Internet  unencrypted.</p>
<p>Talking to the developers I finally gained a better understanding of OpenGarden, and its role with DekiWiki, and Mindtouch&#8217;s  commercialization of the product.<br />
I shared this information with a co-worker and we decided to see how  much was involved in getting DekiWiki installed on a Gentoo server at  our office. While we did struggle somewhat, and still don&#8217;t have all  features working, we were able to get it up and begin using it; and  decided to stick with it for now over the VM, and see how it goes over  in the office.</p>
<p>I then decided I wanted a Wiki for this site, and once again  tried to turn to DekiWiki. I was unable to install the open source  version on my FreeBSD server, as its running a 64Bit version of FreeBSD,  and there is no mono support for AMD64 FreeBSD.</p>
<p>I figured that <a href="http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi" target="_blank">Dreamhost</a> would not have all the required components  installed to get it working there (I&#8217;ve since submitted a suggestion that they offer DekiWiki as a <a href="http://wiki.dreamhost.com/One_Click_Installs" target="_blank">one-click install</a>). I did some more searching and came  across viawiki.com &#8212; The account creation functionality does not work,  I emailed them and although received a nice reply, they had no ETA on  when it would be working again. That was many weeks ago, and it still  does not work.</p>
<p>I then came across <a href="http://Wik.is">Wik.is</a>. I signed up for an account &#8212; there is very  little technical information on wik.is as to what exactly it is.  Exploring my account I saw many of the standard features, however I  wanted to store some personal information in the wiki that I could lock  down to only my account. I then read the why Upgrade page, saw the  &#8216;Privacy: Make your wiki accessible only to selected users.&#8221; and decided  that as this was what I wanted, and I was already now familiar with  DekiWiki, and impressed by <a href="http://www.mindtouch.com/support" target="_blank">MindTouch backing</a> all of this, I would  signup. I also wanted to know more about the integration, as once again  &#8212; I run my own server, host my websites, etc. &#8212; and wanted to see what  exactly was in store for integration options.</p>
<p>Even after signing up &#8212; there&#8217;s almost no further information about  what had just occurred. There was very little hand-holding, explanations,  and no links to additional documentation to help me figure out how to  take advantage of the &#8216;pro&#8217; features I&#8217;d just purchased.  The Customizable URL seems to be done well &#8212; I just  took a stab, and set my DNS to the IP address I was being hosted at with  a domain name &#8212; It still would&#8217;ve been nice to have some documentation  that assured me &#8216;this is the IP address to resolve your hostname to &#8212;  set it to the same value in this field in the configuration&#8217;. I consider  myself a very technically advanced user; and so I shudder at the thought  of others figuring these things out.</p>
<p>In the end it turns out that Wik.is provides only full public or private content functionality &#8212; no granular distinctions.  As their target audience is not-so-technical consumers.  They were nice enough to refund my money, based on my mis-understanding of their offering.</p>
<p>I really do think the <a href="http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/705" target="_blank">MindTouch VM</a> is an excellent idea, and the whole  model of the VM and physical <a href="http://www.mindtouch.com/dekibox" target="_blank">DekiBox</a>, with the automatic upgrades, etc. &#8212;  is a very good way to implement the product.<br />
The unique way in which all the open source dependencies have  been tied together to create a fluid product makes for a great final  product, which however is difficult to setup; and MindTouch is doing a  great job of releasing it in an easy to manage product.</p>
<p>I also look forward to DekiWiki integration of OpenID, as detailed through their <a href="http://opengarden.org/community/blog/open_web_iniative" target="_blank">Open Web Initiative</a>.</p>
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